THE TALE OF TWO CONFERENCES, THE GERIATRIC "AMERICAN CATHOLIC COUNCIL" AND THE YOUTHFUL "CALL TO HOLINESS" BOTH OCCURRING IN DETROIT THIS WEEKEND.
This is the type of Church the American Catholic Council Conference in Detroit want to give birth through a new song; YIKES, YIKES, YIKES--look at it, don't worry though, you can see and hear why they are doomed to failure and extinction:
This is a clown Mass, but I hope and pray that it is Episcopalian! Mercifully, it's sound it mute!
Where are the puppets and clowns in this timeless piece? Do you like the old songs singing a new Church into being?
From the Detroit Free Press:
Catholic Events Split on Doctrine
June 12,2011
BY NIRAJ WARIKOO
DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
Conservative Catholics blasted liberals and defended their church's leadership Saturday at a conference in Livonia that was a stark contrast to a separate conference of reform Catholics being held at the same time in Detroit.
Endorsed by the Archdiocese of Detroit, the Call to Holiness conference drew more than 600 Catholics to Saturday's daytime events, many of them concerned about the conference being held at Cobo Center in Detroit by the liberal American Catholic Council.
"They want a moral code that's more flexible," Catholic radio host Al Kresta of Ann Arbor said Saturday in a talk that drew applause at Burton Manor. "What they say is the cure ... is the disease. This is exactly what has emptied the seminaries ... the pews."
Both sides call themselves Catholics, but they have clashing ideas about the church's path in the 21st Century.
The liberal conference at Cobo favors discussion about having female, gay or married priests and wants parishioners to have more say in decisions. They also want more of an emphasis on social justice issues rather than issues like contraception or abortion.
The debate comes at a time when many Catholics in the U.S. are leaving the church --1 in 3 Americans raised Catholic has abandoned the faith, according to a Pew survey.
The American Catholic Council event is drawing about 2,000 Catholics from around the world who are upset with the current leadership of the church. They held the conference on the 35th anniversary of a Detroit conference called Call To Action, led by the late Cardinal John Dearden, the former archbishop of Detroit, whom liberals considered a fellow progressive.
But unlike that conference, this one is not endorsed by the archdiocese; it warned Catholics to stay away. Priests or deacons who attend a mass set for today in Cobo risk being defrocked, Archbishop of Detroit Allen Vigneron has said.
At the heart of the debate between the conferences is who has authority among Catholics. Traditionalists and conservatives at Saturday's conference noted that the pope and bishops are divinely sanctioned and must be obeyed, while liberals say that regular people should have more say in church decision making.
For example, they say parishes should be consulted before bishops make decisions on where to assign pastors.
But attacking the authority of church leadership would lead to the unraveling of Catholicism and take away what makes it unique, said Christopher Kolomjec, 43, of Grosse Pointe Farms, who attended the Call to Holiness conference. The three-day event was expected to draw about 1,000 people.
Though sympathetic to the Catholics at the Detroit conference, he said they were misguided.
"Our conference proves its legitimacy because it is loyal to the Archdiocese of Detroit and the pope," he said. "We are united with our bishops and with Rome. Once you lose that, you can't claim to be Catholic. That's what distinguishes us."
6 comments:
The two provide an excellent contrast and the demographic disparity is encouraging . Al Kresta is spot on about the liberalism that has destroyed the Church in America, and indeed the Church in the entire western world.
The ACC meeting is a disgrace but I think the Detroit Free Press article is simplistic (like most articles in the secular media that concern Catholicism). There's nothing necessarily wrong with criticising Church 'leadership', so long as it's in charity. Conservative and traditionalist Catholics do that all the time!
The libs want to be protestants. So, if you are leaning that way, take a good long look at the history of protestantism and where it has led. The only protestants who are rejecting secularism and maintaining a Biblically based theology are the congregationalist groups and most Baptists. But, they have their own set of serious problems. Are we to end up with traditional Catholics and the protestant congregationalists as the only bastions of believing Christians?
1 in 3 Americans raised Catholic have abandoned their faith... I'm curious what the stats are on people raised in other faiths but converted to Catholicism or, like me, left and returned. Also, I don't know why the American Catholics want to be associated with Roman Catholics, they obviously don't believe in the true faith. Why not change their name to something more fitting... maybe Protestants?
The first thing I noticed is that the puppet and clown videos are far longer than video for the Latin Mass. There is probably a message there.
rcg
Hey, they could call themselves the, "Diversified Organization of Progressive Ecumenicists.." DOPE
Or, "Association for Social Salvage," you know, ASS.
Maybe, "Wholly Involved Mutual Progressivism." That'd be WIMP.
Hmmm, "Brotherhood of United Liberals Laboring for Correct Rational Advocacy for People." Hmm,, what would that acronym be...?
Why is a puppet or clown mass so offensive? Could it be be the demeaning nature of it? Did Christ talk down to his disciples like they were idiots? The things only He could know were still foretold, not with condescension, but with "wait and see". Children continue through life to be someone's child. I attended a wedding this weekend in Tennessee and during a conversation someone was talking about a family and said said"that's Billy's boy, over there." Billy's Boy was a fifty year old man whose father, still living, still claimed him as his child. They were very proud of each other, standing on their own two feet, marrying off a fine young woman who was equipped to run a house and family. The Elder didn't tell the grandchild that she was stupid, or mock her with puppets or a clown suit. Instead he toasted her and claimed her as his child, foretold of trials yet unseen and gave advice on how to deal with them. There was no assumption that she was too stupid to see the future, just "I have given you the tools. Wait and see." I think that is what a father does.
rcg
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